Unbelievable fucking scumbag!!! (School shooting in CT)

[Psychoholic]

Not sure if you guys saw this or not yet:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-connecticut-elementary-school-gunman-dead/story?id=17973836#.UMuEb3Pjnby

So dude kills his dad and goes to school to shoot his mom, who is a kindergarten teacher, then goes nuts on a bunch of kids.

Obviously I don't have kids, so my perspective isn't nearly as intense as those with children, but my heart truly goes out to those parents and that community that is having to deal with this right now. They don't have enough medical examiners to even help with the autopsies....

What kind of fucked up shit is this? What happens in your life where this is your solution? I don't want to politicize that this is going to be a call for gun control (which, even with any paranoia isn't going to change munch - I bet they'll find that it's either a stolen gun or something), I just want to talk about what could drive someone to this. Thoughts? Impressions?

[LMS]

I have been sick to my stomach over this all day. What kind of fucktard kills little kids?
I can almost(and that's a very small "almost") understand killing his parents, but to then just start wasting small children..... I wish he had lived so I could beat him to death myself.

I have my theories on why this kind of shit keeps happening. I am not a religious person but I believe it is heavily related to the breakdown of morals in this country today. People just don't give a fuck about anything or anyone else these days. To many young people are seriously spoiled and have been raised with little or no disipline. It's just gimmie gimmie gimmie and when they don't get their way it's time to throw a tantrum or in this case something more severe. It seems to get worse every few years and yet no one wants to tackle the real issue.
Every time something like this happens people scream for more laws, but laws aren't going to fix the problem. the anti-gun crowd is surely smiling on the inside over this as they will now have what they need to call for more gun bans, if not a total ban, but even that won't fix the real problem. This kid was already breaking many laws and didn't care, so how will more fix the problem?

[Guest]

I agree with what LMS said. i do believe also that there are some greater religious issues going on here, but i seriously doubt anyone wants to hear about that.

[Abnorml]

I think this says it up pretty good. Listen to the Forensic Scientist at 1:43.
Any person that does this, should commit suicide first, problem solved.

[sgath92]

Americans have always been armed to the teeth, going back to first contact with the natives long before 1789. Yet, according to the Washington Post of the 12 worst shootings in American history, six of them have occurred since 2007. That includes today's tragedy. Sure, technology has evolved dramatically in the last hundred years but the guns being held & used by the public haven't changed much in the last 10 years.

Something(s) culturally must have gone wrong somewhere. There are a lot of things that would be easy to point to- parental apathy, an increasingly insufficient mental healthcare system, a growing wealth gap, the way the media likes to turn these events into spectacles.

Take the circus that was made of Columbine for instance. An event that was never intended to be a shooting, and instead was going to be a terroristic bombing. It was only because the two perpetrators were shitty electricians that their home made bombs didn't go off. They would have functioned otherwise, and would have yielded a much higher amount of casualties. Then the media came in and blamed the guns, video games, music, tv shows, movies, parenting methods, [somewhere in all this they forgot about the bombs] and I distinctly remember one cable news "expert" even bringing up on what clothes their parents dressed them in as toddlers. Low and behold this probably became inspiration to who-knows how many copycats [not all of which were successful]. People, particularly the kind of people who do stuff like this are not that creative and probably would not have been able to think up a school shooting in a vacuum.

Leon Cosgloz, the man who assassinated President McKinley is a good example. Guy was a 3rd rate idiot, and probably never had a single original thought in all of his pitiful existence. Popular history claims that he killed the president in an attempt to look good for an anarchist by the name of Emma Goldman [whose claim to fame was her boyfriend's attempted assassination of Frick, of US Steel- its that case that gave us the phrase "throw the book at him"]. Yet, if we stop a minute and look at the high profile cases of the end of the 19th century we see that over a thirty year time span nearly three dozen world leaders were assassinated either by pistol or bomb/grenade, the vast majority of these being committed by either leftist or nationalist extremists. The amount of unsuccessful assassinations on world leaders in this period was several times as many. It took four times before someone successfully assassinated Tsar Alexander II [five times if we count the fact that it took the terrorists two different strikes on the same day to finally kill him]. These were big press stories of their day like today is for ours. A couple years later a guy named Charles Guiteau set out to kill President Garfield. He actually chose the flashiest & most expensive gun he could find because he knew people would want to gawk at it in museums & wanted to become famous for all of eternity for killing the president.

There was a couple high profile murders in my family in the 90s, I won't go into details & I don't really have any personal connection to the case, but I have personally run into people who look at the guy who committed them as some bigger than life antihero & idolizing him, writing to him in prison and talking about how much they really want to be just like him. They have no idea how pathetic of a being he really is. Yet with as many people who look up to Snookie, honeybooboo, and whatever flavor of the day reality TV has to offer this should be of little practical surprise.

[Creepy Cruiser]

Having a child in 2nd grade myself, I've been sick to my stomach all day as well. All day, different scenarios have been going through my head.

Last year, I showed up to pick up my son a little early at the end of school, and the whole school was in lock down. Luckily, I know some of the faculty, so the cops rushed me inside right away. Apparently there was someone walking around near by carrying a rifle, so they went into lock down right away. I was very impressed at how they handled the situation, but it still gets you really thinking about "how safe are our kids really?". I was lucky, and happen to be there when it was all going down, I couldn't imagine how I would be, if I just heard about it on the news or in a text, and I wasn't able to get to my son and wait it out with him. A lot of crazy things go through your head in that situation, when you're laying on the floor covering your child, to stay clear of the windows and doors. It turned out to be just some 12-14 year old kid with a BB gun shooting at some birds in his backyard, but it was still scary not knowing at the time what was all going down.

We almost didn't put him in public school for this exact reason. We almost home school him, because you never know anymore how crazy people are going to get and if they are just going to snap. We then decided that living in a cave in fear all the time, is no way to live. So I walk him to his classroom everyday, give him a kiss goodby, and hope that everything goes well, so I get to pick him up in one piece at the end of the day.

Gun control is a whole other big topic, so I won't go into it to much. I'm personally not into guns. However, I do believe that good (non criminal) people, should be able to have as many guns as they want. I also think that they should all be required to take a safety training class first, (nothing huge, just something so they respect the weapon). I think that the only real gun control, should be kicking the ass of all the people who have them illegally. There are way more respectable legal gun owners out there, than the dumb fucks that are screwing it up for everybody else. I feel, no matter how much gun control you have in place, it would not have stopped what happened today.

I can't even imagine what I would do, if I was one of those parents who lost their child today. My son is my life.

It's a very sad day.

[Ostara]

I know I held my kids a little tighter tonight and said, "I love you" a few extra times. My daughter is the same age as many of the children involved and I just can't imagine what those parents are going through. I feel for all the children at that school as many of them will face life long issues because of what they saw or heard. The media sickens me on any average day, but whenever something like this happens they break into every channel with their "special reports" and exploit the victims while getting some so called expert to specualte with the anchor what is going on based on one or two official statements while looping photos of terrified children and overhead views of the school. This country is bloodthirsty, so while almost everyone can agree that this was a horrible tragedy so many Americans were glued to their TVs to hear any vile detail.

[chestypuller]

As a parent i feel how horrible it must be also. it makes me want to stomp some guts out of these sick bastards! i dotn give a fuck if your retarded or someone fucked up your lunch over cooking it or what not, you dont go around killing people, if he was not a coward he could have at least joined the military and been shot back at. he was the larges pussy on the face of planet earth, im ashamed we had such a coward as an American.

[LMS]

Saw this posted on another forum..

We guard our money with well armed men. We guard our children with words and signs.

Priorities of the damned.

Would it really be that big of a deal to put one or two armed guards at each school?

[60Crown]

Just before 10am Friday, my brother and I drove through Sandy Hook as first responders were arriving. We had no idea what had just transpired some twenty minutes prior. Fireman handled traffic at an intersection, we turned right. Sandy Hook Elementary was not 1/2 mile to the left up the hill at that very intersection. We arrived ten minutes later in Danbury at a tire store and saw breaking news on Telemundo about the same time my sister-in-law called us with what had happened.

Routed a different way back to his house in Southbury (less than 4 miles from school) with heavy hearts.

My brother became friends with couple (Dave & Karen) that he purchased his house from a few years back and they have remained tight. Karen was on phone with my sister-in-law as we returned. Her son is a fourth grader at Sandy Hook Elementary and is okay. Karen heard rapid gunfire from her home not far from the school and was confident it originated from an AR-15. She took off toward the school immediately calling 911. After being instructed to return to her house and lock the door, she basically told the police "Eff you - I'm getting my son" before retrieving him.

None of us had any inkling the gravity of the situation, nor the magnitude of true horror that continued unfolding over the next several hours as information was publicly released. Being in such close proximity to an incredibly tragic event is surreal to say the least. My heart goes out to everyone involved.

And now the gun debate rages yet again. Regardless of what side you're on, innocent children never ever deserve this. Gun control advocates fail to grasp that this is not nearly as much about weapon of choice but rather the seemingly impossible task of 'fixing' violence that has steadfastly risen in our modern society. Anything short of that daunting road is a band-aid.

[Creepy Cruiser]

Just seeing it on TV, still makes me feel sick, I can't even imagine what it would be like to be right there with it Atti. My heart feels for everyone involved. I can't imagine the feeling the first few responders must still be still dealing with, seeing something like that in person. I'm sure it will be burned into their brains forever. And the children at the shcool, will never be the same.

This is not about gun control, this is about unstable people doing horrific acts.

[LMS]

We are going on 20 plus years now of kids being raised with little to no discipline, kids who have no respect for anyone or anything, kids who have been so terribly spoiled that they don't know how to act when they don't get what they want.
When I was in elementary school in the 70's teachers and principals could paddle unruly kids and parents could spank their children without fear of the government taking the kids away and locking them in jail for child abuse.
Now many years later we have kids who were raised with little discipline raising kids of their own and the cycle of violence is escalating. The liberals don't want to acknowledge the monster THEY have created, instead they want to blame inanimate objects and ban guns. Banning guns WILL NOT fix the problem, if anything it will make it worse as good law abiding citizens will have no good way of defending themselves from these monsters.

[LMS]

I may lose my "asshole" card for this but something happened a little while ago.
I saw this list:
Charlotte Bacon, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Olivia Engel, 6
Josephine Gay, 7
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeline F. Hsu, 6
Catherine Violet Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
Jesse Lewis, 6
Ana Marquez-Greene, 6
James Mattioli, 6
Grace McDonnell, 6
EmilIe Parker, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison N. Wyatt, 6

Those were the 20 babies killed by this fucktard, and when I read the list my emotions turned from anger to a deep sadness and this liquid uncommon to me started to appear in my eyes. I can not begin to imagine a scenario so bad that one would feel the need to kill little children.

[sgath92]

We are going on 20 plus years now of kids being raised with little to no discipline, kids who have no respect for anyone or anything, kids who have been so terribly spoiled that they don't know how to act when they don't get what they want.
When I was in elementary school in the 70's teachers and principals could paddle unruly kids and parents could spank their children without fear of the government taking the kids away and locking them in jail for child abuse.
Now many years later we have kids who were raised with little discipline raising kids of their own and the cycle of violence is escalating. The liberals don't want to acknowledge the monster THEY have created, instead they want to blame inanimate objects and ban guns. Banning guns WILL NOT fix the problem, if anything it will make it worse as good law abiding citizens will have no good way of defending themselves from these monsters.

I think its a bit more complicated than that. Violent crime actually went way down after Roe V Wade, just not until about 15-20 years later. Less unwanted children on the streets means less unwanted children turning to things like gangs as a replacement for a family they never had.

The 20th century gun control movement was actually started by the conservatives, as an effort to try to disarm certain ethnic & racial groups. The Detroit race riot of '68 was the catalyst that allowed the first federal gun restrictions to get rolled out. Back then, the feds weren't concerned with "assault rifles" but instead wanted to get rid of the cheap handgun market knowing those were the guns preferred by the blacks that had rioted in Detroit. So they started a disinformation campaign, telling the public that these guns were dangerous because of how cheaply made they were & claimed that there was a chance they would blow up in the user's hand causing severe hand injuries. Poor minority groups had a harder time affording the expensive guns & rifles preferred by whites. Federally gun control didn't switch to the liberal's agenda until the neo-con movement took over the Republican Party in the late 70s/early 80s.

It was actually Nixon who started the war on drugs back in 1971. The overwhelming majority of gun violence, and violent crime in general in the United States, is the result of that war on drugs. Not to mention the violent crime south of the boarder. Now, in the years since 1971 both the left & the right have been committed to continuing the problem by further fighting a failed war on drugs. Probably because it is so profitable for certain special interest groups [our prison industry is our second fastest growing sector, behind only the healthcare field].

The left, for their part, perpetuates a situation where its harder for kids to be held accountable for exceptionally bad crimes. "Tough on guns" Mayor Nutter of Philly went on MSNBC this afternoon to talk about how this week proves we need to ban certain kinds of guns. Yet, in his city youths are so out of control [because they know that at worst they'll be slapped on the wrist for things like rape & murder] that their criminal activity was actually the main inspiration behind the London Riot of recent notoriety. See here in Philly these teens to early 20-something kids use social media to pick a location and show up in droves to steal everything there & beat up anyone who gets in their way. They've targeted department stores, gas stations, streets popular with pedestrians etc. They single out the old & disabled, knowing that they're unlikely to be armed in Philly and cannot defend themselves against an able bodied youth [much less a dozen of them]. Mayor Nutter's response was to go on local TV to beg parents to watch their children & make sure they don't partake in such things.

The inner city schools have metal detectors, private security, and armed police on sight. Can't do shit to stop the student violence caused by gangbanger wannabes. Not too long ago a teacher in Philly asked, politely, a student to stop using his cell in the middle of class. The student responded by waiting to find the teacher alone in a hallway, and beat the crap out of him. Another student saw it and decided to join in, not even knowing the teacher or the kid who started it. By the time the on-site cops showed up the teacher was nearly dead, spent some time in the ICU and is so brain damaged & psychologically troubled w/ PTSD that he'll never teach again. The two students got insignificant sentences in Mayor Nutter's city and, if they're not out already, they will be soon.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

[chestypuller]

We are going on 20 plus years now of kids being raised with little to no discipline, kids who have no respect for anyone or anything, kids who have been so terribly spoiled that they don't know how to act when they don't get what they want.
When I was in elementary school in the 70's teachers and principals could paddle unruly kids and parents could spank their children without fear of the government taking the kids away and locking them in jail for child abuse.
Now many years later we have kids who were raised with little discipline raising kids of their own and the cycle of violence is escalating. The liberals don't want to acknowledge the monster THEY have created, instead they want to blame inanimate objects and ban guns. Banning guns WILL NOT fix the problem, if anything it will make it worse as good law abiding citizens will have no good way of defending themselves from these monsters.

i agree 100%. these entitled brats with no respect for anything anymore, there are a few here and there but its just outa control.