well kids, it's that time again

[STODD]

With a Democrats in full control they can do almost anything. Remember this is a very liberal Democrat party, they are not like they were when JFK was in office where we had mostly conservative dems.

Fortunately, Dems do not have full control - they are still short by a few seats in the House and Senate. Also, Obama knows he's going to have to give concessions, one of which will be putting leashes on Pelosi and Shumer. You can bet he's already thinking about '08 and what he needs to do to stay in office. Training the extremists(in both parties) will be paramount for him. Almost all of the "analists" have gone into this with some detail. Don't fret, this guy will be smart about this shit.

Yes the supreme court did make good decisions but if Obama gets to appoint some new judges who knows what the next decision will be. Plus they can still ban 99% of the guns made and say ok you can exorcise your constitutional rights with the 1% thats left and by the way we are going to tax you 500% for the ammo, have fun.

I seriously doubt 2nd Amendment issues will run across his desk in this term. I believe as the talk show politicos do: Obama will need to consume himself with issues that only both sides are concerned about before any "agenda" issues can be brought to the table. Gun control issues are polarizing. I'll bet ya a hundred bucks he shys away from gun control, despite his previous public views on it.

I don't think we will be driven into the stone age, I would just rather not lose my job over a stupid tax hike.
Raising taxes is never the answer to building a strong economy.

You know, I have lived better under Democrats than Republicans. Also, again, Obama's tax plan needs to bridge the gap of Dems and Repubs. He's not going to be able to just put his plan into action. There will be changes. I guarantee you, that "bubble" income earners(and biz owners) will have some sort of protection, specificly to combat what you are talking about.

They drive with cheap gas because they make it there. And how exactly do we force them to lower prices when the demand for fuel is so high here?

Easy. We buy the most, we set the prices. Think of Walmart and what they've done to suppliers and distributers for an example. It hasn't happened because those in power have been supported by the oil companies for years(not just Bush) and would never do anything to hurt their profits. Obama has no ties to big oil. He is free to play poker as hardcore as he pleases.

Also what new energy will power these older cars we all love so much without tens of thousands of dollars in conversions?

Older cars, who knows? Having worked in the automotive industry for over twenty years has shown me that the technology is closer than we all think. In the 80's, the Chevy Sprint got over 50mpg. I know, my room mate had one and I drove that car alot. It could get up to 90 mph. It was powered by a 3 cylinder CARBURATED Suzuki engine. No hybrid this or that.

When I was in the USMC, I was there when the first generation of HUMVEE's came in. They could run on anything flamable. ANYTHING! Where did that technology go? Why hasn't that been developed? There are more types out there as well.

[laidbackryder]

take a listen to this

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

[laidbackryder]

Mmm. My usual shitty jokes aren't helping. Anybody else out there have "moderate to severe chronic pain" and afraid you're going to lose your medicine? It's a very, very uncomfortable feeling, isn't it

i feel your pain, being in construction i worry every day about my job , my health ins. i've always worked, never been one to take a hand out (like the mass majority the voted in the president)
i have a guy who works with me, never voted in his life. he is 47 years old but he went out and voted, just because he was black.
i'm not a raciest, i'm a real-ist and i bet if the black population was polled on behalf of obama's polices , they couldn't tell ya shit about his princples.

I'LL KEEP MY FREEDOMS, MY GUNS, AND THE MONEY I EARN !

YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE !

[Elvirathehearse]

It has already been said they will increase taxes about 3,000 per year per individual......and the new admin will not suport offshore drilling so they have to go to OPEC and screw us again.....

[LMS]

Quote:
As far as "vision" goes, lets look at what Obama and Biden have hinted at for a vision.
Obama said he thinks the police in this country should be one agency as large and strong as the U.S. military. No more local agencies just one massive force. and Biden said they wanted to hire on 700,000 new police officers across the country.... sounds like a police state to me and I don't like that "vision".
Do you seriously think they could ever make this happen? Seriously, do you?

With a Democrats in full control they can do almost anything. Remember this is a very liberal Democrat party, they are not like they were when JFK was in office where we had mostly conservative dems.

The Supreme Court has our back here. They have decided two major cases this year that set precedence involving gun control and bans.

Yes the supreme court did make good decisions but if Obama gets to appoint some new judges who knows what the next decision will be. Plus they can still ban 99% of the guns made and say ok you can exorcise your constitutional rights with the 1% thats left and by the way we are going to tax you 500% for the ammo, have fun.

His plan will have to become a bill and then make it through the house and senate where there are lots of folks that cater the business community. I do believe we will have to start paying for Bush's crap this next term, but I don't think we will be driven into the stone age as most righties want everyone to believe.

I don't think we will be driven into the stone age, I would just rather not lose my job over a stupid tax hike.
Raising taxes is never the answer to building a strong economy.

Then why do folks in Saudi Arabia drive for less than a buck a gallon. I grew up in California on the coast. I remember having oil tar on my feet. I remember seeing oil derricks from the shore. I remember dead fish washing ashore. Fuck new drilling. Force OPEC to sell for less(we are their biggest consumer) and then develop energy that is not as finite as oil.

They drive with cheap gas because they make it there. And how exactly do we force them to lower prices when the demand for fuel is so high here?
Also what new energy will power these older cars we all love so much without tens of thousands of dollars in conversions?

[Flymanj3]

[quote=STODD;28433]His plan will have to become a bill and then make it through the house and senate where there are lots of folks that cater the business community. I do believe we will have to start paying for Bush's crap this next term, but I don't think we will be driven into the stone age as most righties want everyone to believe.quote]

Oh, like the big Bank 'rescue' plan of 08 where up to 90% of the people said NO... which BTW, made it threw the SENATE first, then the House - Back-asswards.

Anyhow, we now have what we have... I say give 'em a chance before we

[STODD]

The bedwetting liberals are more to blame for the high oil prices for not allowing more exploration and drilling on our own soil. God I hate tree huggers!

Then why do folks in Saudi Arabia drive for less than a buck a gallon. I grew up in California on the coast. I remember having oil tar on my feet. I remember seeing oil derricks from the shore. I remember dead fish washing ashore. Fuck new drilling. Force OPEC to sell for less(we are their biggest consumer) and then develop energy that is not as finite as oil.

As far as "vision" goes, lets look at what Obama and Biden have hinted at for a vision.
Obama said he thinks the police in this country should be one agency as large and strong as the U.S. military. No more local agencies just one massive force. and Biden said they wanted to hire on 700,000 new police officers across the country.... sounds like a police state to me and I don't like that "vision".

Do you seriously think they could ever make this happen? Seriously, do you?

We already know that they are BOTH very anti second amendment, so any anti gun bills this Democrat controlled government send up will be signed quickly. Yet another "vision" I don't like.

The Supreme Court has our back here. They have decided two major cases this year that set precedence involving gun control and bans.

Obama said he wants to spread the wealth around, and even though I do not make over 100K a year this is still a stupid concept.
Hellcat and I both work for small companies where the owners DO make that much and more and when they get hit with higher taxes they may look to make up for them by cutting some over head... will it be our jobs? That would be a sucky "vision"

His plan will have to become a bill and then make it through the house and senate where there are lots of folks that cater the business community. I do believe we will have to start paying for Bush's crap this next term, but I don't think we will be driven into the stone age as most righties want everyone to believe.

I think maybe I am better off without vision for now thank you.

Instead of being bitter(or a fraction of bitter), give the guy some credit and hope he can get us out of the current anus our economy is swimming in and restore our faith in our government.

[Morella]

With our only health insurance coming from a trucking company, and $850 a month to control my pain, I already know that I'm fucked, with democrats taking over. They don't care too much to see trucking going on. If they hadn't just declared carbon dioxide to be a carcinogen, we would be having our goods being delivered by horse and buggy. (Yes, there are now carcinogens as well as greenhouse gases generated by the exhaust from a horse and buggy). A little New York Science for you.

Of course, there are plenty of chronic pain patients out there.
Maybe we can all get together and get the democrats to find a way for a pill that costs all of three cents to manufacture actually get to the market for less than five bucks.

Mmm. My usual shitty jokes aren't helping. Anybody else out there have "moderate to severe chronic pain" and afraid you're going to lose your medicine? It's a very, very uncomfortable feeling, isn't it?

[LMS]

The bedwetting liberals are more to blame for the high oil prices for not allowing more exploration and drilling on our own soil. God I hate tree huggers!

As far as "vision" goes, lets look at what Obama and Biden have hinted at for a vision.
Obama said he thinks the police in this country should be one agency as large and strong as the U.S. military. No more local agencies just one massive force. and Biden said they wanted to hire on 700,000 new police officers across the country.... sounds like a police state to me and I don't like that "vision".

We already know that they are BOTH very anti second amendment, so any anti gun bills this Democrat controlled government send up will be signed quickly. Yet another "vision" I don't like.

Obama said he wants to spread the wealth around, and even though I do not make over 100K a year this is still a stupid concept.
Hellcat and I both work for small companies where the owners DO make that much and more and when they get hit with higher taxes they may look to make up for them by cutting some over head... will it be our jobs? That would be a sucky "vision"

I think maybe I am better off without vision for now thank you.

[STODD]

Thank Dubya and co for not strongarming OPEC over any fuel price increases and drops in production. Remember, profits for OPEC mean profits for Bush and his pals.

Do any of us here make over 100K right now? If not(like me) don't bet on seeing any tax hikes.

Wanna know something interesting?
During Clinton's Presidency, I made more money(lots more) and paid less tax and with Bush I have made a ton less(more than 40K less) and paid more tax.

[Elvirathehearse]

I have always been a cash kind of guy...and have been stocking up for the years ahead...they are not going to be good for any of us...tax increases will only put us down farther in the hole and be sure to enjoy the low gas prices because they will skyrocket after the first of the year....

[STODD]

You people are panzies. No vision at all.

[hearsegod]

Do it at Albertson's, and pay cash. If you shop with the same debit card you used to use with your discount card, it's probably linked.

I really do believe that there is some social experimenting going on, so shopping at a store where they don't have any of your personal information and paying cash is a good idea. The grocery store pharmacies are also keeping track of which medicines you buy.

thats why my wonderful wife likes to pay for everything in cash!

[Morella]

nope just start stocking up on ammo, water and can goods.

Do it at Albertson's, and pay cash. If you shop with the same debit card you used to use with your discount card, it's probably linked.

I really do believe that there is some social experimenting going on, so shopping at a store where they don't have any of your personal information and paying cash is a good idea. The grocery store pharmacies are also keeping track of which medicines you buy.

[laidbackryder]

do we need to start keeping our jeans below are ass now ?

nope just start stocking up on ammo, water and can goods.

watch chavez's island he is turning into a naval base, because the russians are playing war games down there as we speak.

biden said he would be tested within 6 months , i don't think it will be that long. bay of pigs part II , coming to a socialist country near you.


BACK IN THE U>S>S>A> guess we will see what it's like to live in a third world country for a change.