Anyone heard this one?

[jlprigmore]

I'm seeing valid points on both sides of this topic. I'm not a racist by no means. But I am proud of being white even though there are millions of white people that make me sick with their views and work ethics. I've never had a black person or any race for that matter ever do me harm. The fights I've been in, my cars getting broken into were all done by white people. I've walked through the" ghettos "of East St. Louis, Baltimore,D.C., New Orleans, and Richmond, hell I lived in the "ghetto" of NorthEast Side Okc and never once have I ever had a problem with anyone of any race I've met in these places. But at the same time I knew an illegal alien get approved for a brand new car and a new house with not even so much as a penny down but yet I can't get a house and I'm considered high risk for a car loan because my credit isn't good enough. So both sides have good points, but in this day in age should there really be "sides" ? This isn't the '50s.

[Guest]

He did not write it, nor could it have constituted his "defense speech in court," given that there were no charges filed and no court trial ever took place. see About.com:Urban Legends

So Michael Richards didn't say it, but does that make it any less true?

i'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but i think it needs to be said.

Whether or not it's true, the answer is obvious. None of the things listed in that rant are "allowed" because whites are seen as the dominant, privileged race that likes to exploit others. So things like "white history month," or a "national association for the advancement of white people," would be seen as glorifying and promoting centuries of exploitation and oppression.

Think of it this way. If Germans go around talking about how they are proud to be German, and proud of their heritage, pretty soon people start accusing them of being national socialists. Being proud of German heritage doesn't make anyone a Nazi anymore than pride in your white race makes you a slave owner or a racist.

However, we must remember that Germany under the Nazis *did* kill lots of Jews and other groups, just like whites *did* traffic in slaves and purposefully oppress blacks in the post-civil war south. The fact that some people want to whine about not being allowed to have White History Month seems a little bit silly when other groups have suffered real oppression.

i'm not saying i think it's right, nor am i saying one should be ashamed to be German or white. I'm saying that's how it is, and that's how it will remain while political correctness and popular liberal guilt hold sway. I also think it's kinda silly to bitch about, when whites on average seem to have a better economic standing than blacks.

[STODD]

I'm not a racist, nor was there anything racist in that last message, save what you might have written into it.

Whatever you tell yourself at night to fall asleep from the dope...

I lived in Downey, which is next to Compton, Norwalk and Lakewood(all "black" cities). I lived in East Oakland, Hunter's Point, Richmond, the Fillmore and the Tenderloin districts of San Francisco. I know about impoverished and traditionally black neighborhoods. So what? I've never been a victim of any crime, no matter what time of day or night I was out and about. Your analogy is false logic. The real factor that you could easily link is demographics. Poorer areas have more crime for the simple fact that poverty breeds desperation. White people, Asians and Hispanics all enter into criminal activity. Color of skin has nothing to do with it.

Did you hear that that many self-segregated blacks were arrested for firing weapons into the air when Osama Bahama was elected?

First, what the fuck do you mean with "self-segregated?"
Second, white folks do it all the time where I currently live, except they do it for any reason. They are morons that think their firearms are for parties, not self defense or target practice.
Your straw man point is a complete logical falacy and makes you look to be highly ignorant of any race related facts. Assholes shoot their guns in celebration and when black people do it, they are assholes. It has nothing to do with being black.

Ask one of your downtown LA buddies what a trigger lock is, or which cleaning and lubrication products they prefer. Ask them how to test the functionality of the sears in their weapons, how often they replace their return spring, with which weight, and why, or which ammunition gives them the best print on their target. What will you get? Most likely, your wallet stolen.

First, why?
Second, what the fuck is your point?
Third, who are my LA buddies?

Be sure to tell them that you're a Jew, especially if they're Izzies. That will impress the shit out of them.

I'm convinced:
You are stupid.

I don't miss the booming noise from the nigger cars at all...

You're right, you're not racist at all. I mean, everyone speaks like this...

The military is no more representative of society than prison is.

Curb your fucking tongue. The military is entirely populated by people that give to this country. The draft is no longer in use. God damn, you are stupid.

Unfortunately, high school is, because a cross-section of the entire next generation is coming from there. Unfortunately, most black kids in high school are SSNs, because life is a long, hard road for them if they are not. I don't have an answer for this sad, sorry planet's social problems, but trying to build yourself up by calling me a racist isn't going to help a thing

Your right "nigger" is such a non racist word. It's a word based entirely in positive light and supportive structure. Surely, you consider "niggers" your equals by your unracist use of such a provocative word.
But you are right, I should stop calling you racist. You have it all figured out from the comfort of your narcotics and lazy boy recliner. I'll start calling you idiot, stupid or retarded...maybe not retarded, I hate to anger them. Retard wrath is pretty brutal.

[Scary Guy]

Good points on all sides still. Just wanted to point out that I just posted that e-mail in another thread and it said nowhere on it anything about Richards writing it.

I don't think anyone here is overly racist. I'm not but I still laugh at a good minority joke (even when my minority is being made fun of) or jokes about white people, if they're good enough.

Apparently everyone forgets that WHITE PEOPLE WERE SLAVES TOO! Granted there weren't as many as black slaves but http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

Basically it all comes down to the haves and the have nots. We have something they want and they are using what our ancestors did to make us pay for that. I've never owned any slaves (except for the kid down the street that I made call me master and do crap for me when we were younger, and he was white) and no one I know has ever been a slave or in this modern age majorly oppressed in any major way (again except that kid).

There's a story of a friend of mine (we will call him "Moe") who was driving around and cut a guy off (because he was driving like a douche-bag) who is black. The guy screamed "GO BACK TO AFRICA" and without missing a beat he screamed back "HEY YOU BROUGHT US HERE". I think I shot cola out my nose over that.

Also black people have THE BEST racist jokes.

[Scary Guy]

First, what the fuck do you mean with "self-segregated?"

I can answer this because I do it with most of society because they're idiots. They're just anti-social to people who have a skin color other than their own. I get treated like shit because I'm "black" but my "black" has more to do with the color of my clothes rather than my skin. Go check out the "hearse discrimination" thread for more on that.

maybe not retarded, I hate to anger them. Retard wrath is pretty brutal.

Yeah, did you hear they got really offended at the bit of "Simple Jack" in "Tropic Thunder"? Who knew there were those out there that were even smart enough to get offended.

[laidbackryder]

some how i thought this was funny

after reading this post.

[laidbackryder]

but on with the real world, i feel sorry for obama because he has a lot to overcome, and no matter what he, will be blamed for the next four years. and i think it will take longer than his term, to fix this fucked up world.
i really feel sorry for the children of this great country, and i've said it before they have already lost more freedom, than they will ever know existed.

[Guest]

i really feel sorry for the children of this great country, and i've said it before they have already lost more freedom, than they will ever know existed.

now that's a statement i can agree with

[Scary Guy]

now that's a statement i can agree with

Agreed

[Morella]

I've never had a black person or any race for that matter ever do me harm. The fights I've been in, my cars getting broken into were all done by white people. I've walked through the" ghettos "of East St. Louis, Baltimore,D.C., New Orleans, and Richmond, hell I lived in the "ghetto" of NorthEast Side Okc and never once have I ever had a problem with anyone of any race I've met in these places.

The police were just here to take Tony's statement.

As he was bringing our tractor back from B-check, he was driving by a conservative person's house down the street, which happens to be next to an illegal alien safe house. The person had a restraining order against one of those illegal "hard working making a better life for themselves" gangstahs, and as Tony was driving by, the "hard worker" was walking up to the man's house telling him that he was "Gonna bust a cap in yo ass, and there ain't a damned thing nobody can do about it."

We also found out from the police that the "hard workers" from this place are the ones who are driving around shooting at houses, so now I know why I lost Jenny's bedroom window, and why I am having to make a rear window for my coach out of Lexan. 'Twernt white folks that done it.

I'm happy for those of you who don't have a problem with it, but I've had to deal with dark-on-light violence since grade school, and I've never seen it happen the other way around.

Oh, and I called the mother of the WHITE teenager who was formally a suspect in these events and told her that her son was not responsible for them, because her son has been in so much trouble and I hoped that it would make her feel better. Do people in the ghettos behave that way, or do they look the other way when things happen and refuse to get involved? " I didn't see nuttin' ".

I only believe what I see and hear for myself, not the bullshit that I hear from trolls who aren't even interested in hearses, and just come here to spread fertilizer, and I don't like what I'm seeing and hearing.

-denise

[Morella]

As for you, Stodd, attempting to carry on an intelligent conversation with you is like having an ass-kicking contest with a one-legged man. I ask you a question and I get nothing but a personal attack in return.

You don't own a hearse, and you have no interest in hearses. You are a troll who comes in here once in a while to stir up trouble and hurl personal insults. You have no business on this board.

-denise

[STODD]

Um Morella, I own two coaches. I have plenty of business and interest on this board - just not with you.

Go ahead, ask me your questions again without tainting them with derogatory laced "isms" and out and out racial insults. Then, and only then, will you get any type of desired results or satisfactory answers.

The folks, like you, that accuse a race because they all do what you have experienced(that is what you have implied-with exception of those nice black nieghbors of yours), is total and complete malarky.

And I usually stay away from your babble filled posts for a reason. You are stupid. I can freely admit that I consider you highly uneducated, not intelligent, uncultured and you're boring. Your jokes are even lame. Am I being elitest? Probably, and I don't mind.

Lastly, I feel at ease insulting you because you have no problem insulting people over their skin color, racial background or anything else you don't agree with, especially when you have no idea what the real world is like. You reap what you sow.

[Scary Guy]

If she's such a dimwit I'd like to know why she has a rep power of 19 and you have one of 4. Not that it really means much but I think people might like her a little better.

You both have been here FAR longer than I have (I probably should have joined back then but yeah, I got issues) however I tend to call things as I see them. I think both of you make some great posts. I think my grandpa and a few other people I know are great people even though they are racists/blacks/bikers. I have friends in all cultures and have learned that no matter what you do calling them on what they believe continuously even if you think it is completely wrong and backward just makes you look like a fool. But I have to give you credit for sticking to your guns.

Alternatively I do believe the forum has an ignore feature if you can't learn to be civil/agree to disagree.

Oh and as far as the real world goes, it's all dependent on ones perspective. Some people are racist for a reason and the stereotypes that exists are usually based on a bit of fact exaggerated to an extreme. If she's racist it's only because of her personal experiences made her that way.

I live in Detroit though (well north of it but I do visit the city a lot) and have met some really nice folks. However never in a back ally usually and some I don't doubt would probably rob me if they had the oppertunity. But as STODD said you get that with any poor area. It just so happens that most of the poor areas are filled with black people and other minorities, which is where the stereotypes come in.

I think better education is the key to everything. Not just teaching knowledge though but to have love and respect for your fellow man and to work together to build a better future. http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture...by_propaganda/ is one of the reasons why.

But then again what the fuck do I know as I only have a rep power of 3.

Still at least try to play nice and if you really want to fight over issues do it in PM.

[STODD]

If she's such a dimwit I'd like to know why she has a rep power of 19 and you have one of 4.

She has a higher gold star count because she is on the site way more frequently than I. Compare the post count between the two of us.

Also, her "rep" does not constitute intelligence, it measures some type of popularity - I guess.

[Psychoholic]

I really want to flame Ryan_ricks on principal, but I can't, I agree with him.

When I worked nights, I worked with a guy named OT - who is, hands down, one of the smartest, funniest, and most articulate people I know and one of my best friends. I've been giving him shit for years as being caramel and not really black because of a more medium complexion, but he's still black. He grew up in a fairly poor part of Brooklyn New York, dad is a bus driver for the city, etc...

When I first started working with him, I was certainly less informed and had more stringent opinions on things - and we would argue and debate all night long about political climate, economics, race relations, culture, etc... (it was a 12 hours shift, and working in computers you really didn't get off your ass too often), and through these discussions I really came to the conclusion that most of what constitutes racism is centered around the fear of the unknown and a complete lack of exposure. I realize just how trivial it is, and I almost never even think of OT as black unless I'm it's in a stream of thoughts in a joke.

One of the things that we discussed on those 68 degree, 70% humidity nights in the datacenter was the NAACP and Black History Month, etc... and his thoughts were pretty clear - they should do away with them - and that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk should hang it up and go away. He turned me onto speech by Dr. King that basically said that in the future it isn't enough to be a great black doctor, but to be a great doctor, or a great lawyer. The preachers and revererends who continue to drive home their points about race in this country do it for their own personal gain - they don't produce anything, and their entire wealth is based around contributions for a doctrine that is outdated, so as long as they can keep the seperation vibe alive they can thrive. In the future we'll only reference the color of our skin in the same way we might reference our hair color or our heft (ala 'you can kiss the fattest part of my white freckled ass!').

Personally, I think that the black community should be proud of what has transpired recently, but also view this as the end of the percieved glass cieling - so yesterdays talks of discrimination are over. It's not institutional racism, it's going to be on a personal level almost every time going forward. Obama won, and people can either support him or not - I will find it funny that those who have claimed immense patriotism and support our president when he needed it will suddenly find themselves not supporting Obama because of some other reason, yet continue to be 'patriots' - I think the word 'sore loser' comes to mind, it's like being a conservative without definition of what it means; 'whatever is different than what I believe is clearly leftist'.

I'm going to work now.