Anyone heard this one?

[Morella]

Go ahead, ask me your questions again without tainting them with derogatory laced "isms" and out and out racial insults. Then, and only then, will you get any type of desired results or satisfactory answers.

I haven't looked back to see if there were other subjects covered in the message, nor do I care. As I recall, I asked whether or not you had any information about this HUMVEE engine that would run on anything flammable, and you flamed me into next week as if that were an insult. A simple "no" would have sufficed.

My knowledge of diesels has nothing to do with Google searches or degrees. I just happen to know that a diesel engine has an extremely high compression ratio, much higher than any gasoline engine, and I was curious to know how gasoline (which is a flammable liquid) could run in such an engine. 11:1 is about as high as you can go on pump gas without tearing the engine apart, and diesels usually run in the 15-22 range. I built my Magnum repro at approximately 10.8:1, which would not ignite diesel because it burns too slowly, but nor could I raise the CR and still run it on pump gas.

I'm not the slightest bit embarassed to say that I am ignorant of this issue. There is a big difference between ignorance and stupidity...stupid people never seek the answer to that which they are ignorant of.

May I have my results and/or satisfactory answers now?

-denise

[Morella]

Early 80's, in Dallas, actually, and your last point was well taken, Chris. He may have seen a ceiling that he no longer sees, or he may have passed it on to his offspring...who knows?

There was, at the last funeral races, just a couple of years ago, a black guy there telling nigger jokes. Perhaps one of the Trocars can tell us who he was. To tell you the truth, although I used to sit at the bar at KC North and tell nigger jokes with the black guys, I felt a little uncomfortable with the goings-on at the race. I guess I've been away too long.

The only joke I can remember him telling was...

Why are aspirin white?

You want 'em to work, don't you?

Oh well, different times, different places, different backgrounds, no reason to get upset. I remember the original Star Trek episode when Abe Lincoln looks at Uhura and says, "What a charming negress", then catches himself and apologizes. She asks him why he apologized, because humans had long since evolved past being offended by words. Maybe a little evolution needs to take place, but it always takes its own sweet time. I suppose that I couldn't make a comment about some people evolving more quickly than others without puckering some more sphincters.

-denise

[Psychoholic]

This brings back memories. When I was going to school for the first time, I worked for a landscape company

So to be fair, this I assume was in the mid-late 80's?

One day I asked Nigger Jerry if he would like to see a black president, and his reply was, "What the fuck difference would it make? He'd still be doing what the white folks told him to do."

-denise

With the same time period for reference - if you asked him if he thought that oil would get over $50 a barrel I'm sure he would have thought you were crazy - and lets be fair, this guy was a landscaper, so perhaps the overall understanding of the world on a grander scale than a pack of smokes and another day running mower while working for a white dude would lend ones view to a life of working for the man no matter how far up in society you got.

[EvilManor]

In Texas, where I have spent most of my life, the dreaded N-word is not an insult but a term of endearment, as long as it is said with a smile.

I don't what part of Texas you lived, but the only way that I've seen that word is used (in Texas) in a way that it didn't practically start a riot was when it was used by one African American addressing another.

[Morella]

When I worked nights, I worked with a guy named OT - who is, hands down, one of the smartest, funniest, and most articulate people I know and one of my best friends. I've been giving him shit for years as being caramel and not really black because of a more medium complexion, but he's still black. He grew up in a fairly poor part of Brooklyn New York, dad is a bus driver for the city, etc...

This brings back memories. When I was going to school for the first time, I worked for a landscape company, which is an eloquent way of saying "Groups of illegals pushing lawn mowers." I'll never forget the one who killed some old lady's purebred cat with a weedeater, but anyway...

We had a crew leader whom everyone called "Nigger Jerry". In Texas, where I have spent most of my life, the dreaded N-word is not an insult but a term of endearment, as long as it is said with a smile. I'm sure you've noticed that semantics don't bother me much. Although Tony looked like he was ready to pound a certain person into the ground for calling me a cunt, it reflected more on the user's background, to me. I prefer to insult people in a more civilized manner

Anyway, one day I needed something from Nigger Jerry, and right after I said, "Hey, Jerry...", he interrupted me with,

"Oh, it's Jerry now, huh? Every time somebody wants something from me it's 'Hey, Jerry? in this sweet little voice, and the rest of the time it's, HEY NIGGER!"

We both laughed our asses off over it. Jerry loved to fight, and I was always up for it...one of those things that I can't do anymore. He usually pounded everyone's ass, but the little retarded guy who cleaned mowers knocked him out cold with a right hook one day, and he never heard the end of it. I could have broken his knee cap one day...I used a move from Hung Gar Kung Fu...he threw a kick at me, and I hooked his leg with mine and kicked his kneecap with all of his weight on it. I pulled back so that I didn't hurt him, though, and he returned the favor by pounding my ass into the ground. For a minute, I wish I had broken his knee, but the boss would have fired me for taking out a needed employee, and he was already helping me up and laughing about it with me anyway.

One day I asked Nigger Jerry if he would like to see a black president, and his reply was, "What the fuck difference would it make? He'd still be doing what the white folks told him to do." It appears that his theory may be put to the test, if Osama makes it into the "White" House without being assassinated. Tony has faith in the Secret Service, but I'm not so sure. When they closed BOI so that George Bush Sr. could land, I was out on the ramp, right underneath one of the sniper rifles, in fact. I had work to do, which was more important to me than any Republican politician's arrival. I used to be a hard-core liberal, but I grew out of it.

We all do come from different backgrounds, some of us from many of them, and there are many different types, and perhaps levels, of intelligence here. Of course we're going to disagree, but I believe that most of our disagreements are based on a lack of empathy, and, as it has been said, understanding of each other.

-denise

[Psychoholic]

I really want to flame Ryan_ricks on principal, but I can't, I agree with him.

When I worked nights, I worked with a guy named OT - who is, hands down, one of the smartest, funniest, and most articulate people I know and one of my best friends. I've been giving him shit for years as being caramel and not really black because of a more medium complexion, but he's still black. He grew up in a fairly poor part of Brooklyn New York, dad is a bus driver for the city, etc...

When I first started working with him, I was certainly less informed and had more stringent opinions on things - and we would argue and debate all night long about political climate, economics, race relations, culture, etc... (it was a 12 hours shift, and working in computers you really didn't get off your ass too often), and through these discussions I really came to the conclusion that most of what constitutes racism is centered around the fear of the unknown and a complete lack of exposure. I realize just how trivial it is, and I almost never even think of OT as black unless I'm it's in a stream of thoughts in a joke.

One of the things that we discussed on those 68 degree, 70% humidity nights in the datacenter was the NAACP and Black History Month, etc... and his thoughts were pretty clear - they should do away with them - and that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk should hang it up and go away. He turned me onto speech by Dr. King that basically said that in the future it isn't enough to be a great black doctor, but to be a great doctor, or a great lawyer. The preachers and revererends who continue to drive home their points about race in this country do it for their own personal gain - they don't produce anything, and their entire wealth is based around contributions for a doctrine that is outdated, so as long as they can keep the seperation vibe alive they can thrive. In the future we'll only reference the color of our skin in the same way we might reference our hair color or our heft (ala 'you can kiss the fattest part of my white freckled ass!').

Personally, I think that the black community should be proud of what has transpired recently, but also view this as the end of the percieved glass cieling - so yesterdays talks of discrimination are over. It's not institutional racism, it's going to be on a personal level almost every time going forward. Obama won, and people can either support him or not - I will find it funny that those who have claimed immense patriotism and support our president when he needed it will suddenly find themselves not supporting Obama because of some other reason, yet continue to be 'patriots' - I think the word 'sore loser' comes to mind, it's like being a conservative without definition of what it means; 'whatever is different than what I believe is clearly leftist'.

I'm going to work now.

[STODD]

If she's such a dimwit I'd like to know why she has a rep power of 19 and you have one of 4.

She has a higher gold star count because she is on the site way more frequently than I. Compare the post count between the two of us.

Also, her "rep" does not constitute intelligence, it measures some type of popularity - I guess.

[Scary Guy]

If she's such a dimwit I'd like to know why she has a rep power of 19 and you have one of 4. Not that it really means much but I think people might like her a little better.

You both have been here FAR longer than I have (I probably should have joined back then but yeah, I got issues) however I tend to call things as I see them. I think both of you make some great posts. I think my grandpa and a few other people I know are great people even though they are racists/blacks/bikers. I have friends in all cultures and have learned that no matter what you do calling them on what they believe continuously even if you think it is completely wrong and backward just makes you look like a fool. But I have to give you credit for sticking to your guns.

Alternatively I do believe the forum has an ignore feature if you can't learn to be civil/agree to disagree.

Oh and as far as the real world goes, it's all dependent on ones perspective. Some people are racist for a reason and the stereotypes that exists are usually based on a bit of fact exaggerated to an extreme. If she's racist it's only because of her personal experiences made her that way.

I live in Detroit though (well north of it but I do visit the city a lot) and have met some really nice folks. However never in a back ally usually and some I don't doubt would probably rob me if they had the oppertunity. But as STODD said you get that with any poor area. It just so happens that most of the poor areas are filled with black people and other minorities, which is where the stereotypes come in.

I think better education is the key to everything. Not just teaching knowledge though but to have love and respect for your fellow man and to work together to build a better future. http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture...by_propaganda/ is one of the reasons why.

But then again what the fuck do I know as I only have a rep power of 3.

Still at least try to play nice and if you really want to fight over issues do it in PM.

[STODD]

Um Morella, I own two coaches. I have plenty of business and interest on this board - just not with you.

Go ahead, ask me your questions again without tainting them with derogatory laced "isms" and out and out racial insults. Then, and only then, will you get any type of desired results or satisfactory answers.

The folks, like you, that accuse a race because they all do what you have experienced(that is what you have implied-with exception of those nice black nieghbors of yours), is total and complete malarky.

And I usually stay away from your babble filled posts for a reason. You are stupid. I can freely admit that I consider you highly uneducated, not intelligent, uncultured and you're boring. Your jokes are even lame. Am I being elitest? Probably, and I don't mind.

Lastly, I feel at ease insulting you because you have no problem insulting people over their skin color, racial background or anything else you don't agree with, especially when you have no idea what the real world is like. You reap what you sow.

[Morella]

As for you, Stodd, attempting to carry on an intelligent conversation with you is like having an ass-kicking contest with a one-legged man. I ask you a question and I get nothing but a personal attack in return.

You don't own a hearse, and you have no interest in hearses. You are a troll who comes in here once in a while to stir up trouble and hurl personal insults. You have no business on this board.

-denise

[Morella]

I've never had a black person or any race for that matter ever do me harm. The fights I've been in, my cars getting broken into were all done by white people. I've walked through the" ghettos "of East St. Louis, Baltimore,D.C., New Orleans, and Richmond, hell I lived in the "ghetto" of NorthEast Side Okc and never once have I ever had a problem with anyone of any race I've met in these places.

The police were just here to take Tony's statement.

As he was bringing our tractor back from B-check, he was driving by a conservative person's house down the street, which happens to be next to an illegal alien safe house. The person had a restraining order against one of those illegal "hard working making a better life for themselves" gangstahs, and as Tony was driving by, the "hard worker" was walking up to the man's house telling him that he was "Gonna bust a cap in yo ass, and there ain't a damned thing nobody can do about it."

We also found out from the police that the "hard workers" from this place are the ones who are driving around shooting at houses, so now I know why I lost Jenny's bedroom window, and why I am having to make a rear window for my coach out of Lexan. 'Twernt white folks that done it.

I'm happy for those of you who don't have a problem with it, but I've had to deal with dark-on-light violence since grade school, and I've never seen it happen the other way around.

Oh, and I called the mother of the WHITE teenager who was formally a suspect in these events and told her that her son was not responsible for them, because her son has been in so much trouble and I hoped that it would make her feel better. Do people in the ghettos behave that way, or do they look the other way when things happen and refuse to get involved? " I didn't see nuttin' ".

I only believe what I see and hear for myself, not the bullshit that I hear from trolls who aren't even interested in hearses, and just come here to spread fertilizer, and I don't like what I'm seeing and hearing.

-denise

[Scary Guy]

now that's a statement i can agree with

Agreed

[ryan_ricks]

i really feel sorry for the children of this great country, and i've said it before they have already lost more freedom, than they will ever know existed.

now that's a statement i can agree with

[laidbackryder]

but on with the real world, i feel sorry for obama because he has a lot to overcome, and no matter what he, will be blamed for the next four years. and i think it will take longer than his term, to fix this fucked up world.
i really feel sorry for the children of this great country, and i've said it before they have already lost more freedom, than they will ever know existed.

[laidbackryder]

some how i thought this was funny

after reading this post.